The Right move

vendredi 24 février 2006, par Jacques Bouthier

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  • Le 24 février 2006 à 16:28, par Jacques Bouthier En réponse à : The Right move

    In English :

    http://www.rightmove06.org/

    Le site pour le renouveau de la FIDE.
    Après avoir entamé la rénovation de la FFE, enfin avoir une véritable direction sportive, qui en finisse avec la corruption et l’obscurantisme de l’équipe actuelle ?

    Fin du suspens en juin Turin.

  • Le 24 février 2006 à 21:24, par DDTM

    Une réunion avec les principaux membres de la liste est prévue à Paris avec notamment la visite des "éventuels" nouveaux locaux ... (ceux de la FIDE, pas ceux de la FFE)

  • Le 24 mai 2006 à 11:42, par Jacques Bouthier En réponse à : Derniers jours de Campagne

    41 fédérations soutiennent ouvertement la liste pour le changement.

    Léo Battesti, candidat à la vice présidence sur la liste du Right Move vient de publier une belle et intéressante plaquette à télécharger sur le site de l’Echiquier Nicois. [url=http://echiquiernicois.free.fr/Battesti2405.pdf]Lien direct[/url]

    Pour suivre les dernières nouvelles, le site du [url=http://www.rightmove06.org/]Right Move[/url]

  • Le 24 mai 2006 à 14:08, par José Piat

    Bof, avec le gros paquet de dollars d’origine indéterminée auquel ils vont avoir à faire face, j’ai l’impression que personne n’y croit vraiment.

    Même Karpov, après avoir voulu se présenter, donne 100% au Kalmouk.

    http://www.chessbase.com/newsprint.asp?newsid=3018

    Avant de faire machine arrière un peu plus tard, il est vrai.

  • Le 24 mai 2006 à 14:14, par Jacques Bouthier

    [quote="Mazetão"]Bof, avec le gros paquet de dollars d’origine indéterminée auquel ils vont avoir à faire face, j’ai l’impression que personne n’y croit vraiment.

    Même Karpov, après avoir voulu se présenter, donne 100% au Kalmouk.

    http://www.chessbase.com/newsprint.asp?newsid=3018

    Avant de faire machine arrière un peu plus tard, il est vrai.

    Hé José, tu fais la poussière dans les greniers ??
    Karpov, ça fait un moment qu’on en parle plus comme candidat. Au moins depuis que la Russie soutient Illyuminov.

    Pour l’élection, tout semble indiqué que ça va être serré. Le Right Move a fait une très bonne campagne. Bien entendu il n’est pas sûr que ça suffise à parer toutes les magouilles.

  • Le 24 mai 2006 à 14:22, par José Piat

    jack

    Bien entendu il n’est pas sûr que ça suffise à parer toutes les magouilles.

    Exactly what I meant.

    Mazetão, polyglotte.

  • Le 24 mai 2006 à 14:31, par José Piat

    Je me demandais, aussi, en cas de succès du Right Move, les permanents Kalmuks de la Fide, il doit bien y en avoir, ils vont être mutés à Paris ?

    Cela rentre dans l’immigration choisie ? Cela ne va poser des problèmes à Sarko ?

    Politisez, politisez, il en restera toujours quelque chose.

    Mazetão, perplexe devant la complexité de la délocalisation à l’envers.

  • Le 3 juin 2006 à 12:08, par Frédéric Rivière

    Kirsan Ilyumzhinov à été reélu hier à la tête de la [url=http://www.fide.com/]FIDE[/url] au grand dam d’une grande partie de ses opposants ... : ?

  • Le 5 juin 2006 à 21:33, par Loïc Pastorelli

    je ne vois pas pourquoi il en serait autrement !ça se passe aussi comme cela en France. :(
     😎

  • Le 7 juin 2006 à 15:12, par DDTM DDTM

    L’interview presque imaginaire de Kirsan :
    http://echecs64.blog.20minutes.fr/

    J’en ris encore  😄  😄  😄

  • Le 7 juin 2006 à 15:42, par Axel Prieur

    FREDO

    Kirsan Ilyumzhinov à été reélu hier à la tête de la [url=http://www.fide.com/]FIDE[/url] au grand dam d’une grande partie de ses opposants ... : ?

    je pense que c’est au grand dam de TOUS ses opposants.... :-D

  • Le 7 juin 2006 à 17:10, par Andreas Van Elst

    Je pense que tous les opposants à Ilyumzhinov et ceux qui s’étonnent de sa victoire écrasante devraient lire l’excellent article de David Levy sur chessbase.com :

    http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3155 .

  • Le 8 juin 2006 à 08:35, par Loïc Pastorelli

    il y a les memes dans EE.
     😎

  • Le 8 juin 2006 à 23:06, par DDTM DDTM En réponse à : http://www.allthingshuman.com

    “If this election were based on logic and reason, Kirsan would not receive a single vote,” Yasser Seirawan told me the other day. He was quite right but the election was not based on logic and reason (they never are). Nor was it based simply on ignorance and greed (they rarely are). It was based rather, like all politics, on perceived interests and how well the game is played. We live in an age of mass media, i.e., wholesale, politics. What happened yesterday, however, was a perfect example of the old-fashioned, retail politics, the kind that has changed little since the days of Pericles.

    Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Tip O’Neill was fond of the aphorism, “All politics is local.” By this he meant simply that people respond more to the small local issues that directly affect their life than to issues of high national or international policy. If you want to make a difference on the grand scale, you have to play the local game. “Think globally, act locally” is the contemporary cliché.

    The Vietnam War has given President Lyndon Johnson a bad name but he was one of the great masters of using local, retail politics to achieve national goals. The great civil rights and social legislation of the 1960s was his achievement and would have marked Johnson as one of the greatest of U.S. Presidents, if Vietnam had not destroyed his reputation. Kennedy had wanted to pass much of this legislation but could not because of the opposition of conservatives.

    Johnson, a product of Texas politics, among the nastiest of all, knew how to play the game. When he was Majority Leader in the Senate, he had studied every senator and knew them intimately, where they came from, their strengths and weaknesses, what made them tick, and, above all, which buttons to push to get a positive response. As President, he did the same with key members of the House. When he needed someone’s vote on legislation, he would call them and charm them. He knew exactly what they needed in order to support his legislation and he had no scruples about providing it.

    What happened yesterday was that Kirsan’s people completely outplayed Bessel’s people at the nasty game of politics and that trumped logic, reason, even the viability of the game of chess. A member of the American delegation compared Georgios Makropoulos to a Chicago ward boss and he was right. Makropoulos, he said, knows every federation intimately. He knows who’s really in power, what the local issues are, what the local federation needs, and he has no scruples abut providing it. Nigel Short’s clumsy African tour illustrated the gap between the two camps in political savvy. I always had the impression that there was a limit to how low Bessel Kok would stoop and that limit wasn’t low enough to give him any real chance of success.

    Still, wandering among the delegates during the interminable delay in the Congress, I couldn’t help hoping. I kept thinking of two old political saws. The first is the definition of an honest politician as one who, once bought, stays bought. Against this, I recalled the advice that Sam Rayburn, another product of Texas politics, reportedly used to give to newly elected members of Congress concerning lobbyists and graft, “If you can’t take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and still vote against them, then you don’t belong here.” In the end, the FIDE delegates were honest, at least as concerns their parochial interests, and no, they probably didn’t belong there.

    At the end of the day, everything the Right Move Campaign said about the irreparable damage that Ilyumzhinov has done and continues to do to chess remains true. I got little real work done yesterday because I was emailing back and forth with several U.S. news organizations, trying to sell the story of the U.S. team upsetting the Russians. There was a time when this would have been a no-brainer ; of course, they want it. Well, it’s a no-brainer today ; who the hell cares ? But what are those who care about chess as a viable enterprise that supports its best players (and a few scribblers of the fourth estate) to do ?

    Way back in 1993, I was unhappy as Kasparov’s decision to split from FIDE. Yes, things were bad under Campomanes but the risk to the game was too great. It made chess seem too much like boxing. Boxing doesn’t need a good reputation because people will always pay to witness physical violence. Chess, whose reputation has sunk well below boxing, and justly so, requires a pristine reputation to attract sponsors. As I expressed it at the time, people who don’t understand how a knight moves can understand petty politics. If Kasparov and the PCA had succeeded, we would doubtless be better off today. But he failed when FIDE, desperate for resources to fend off the PCA’s challenge and heedless of where it came from, brought in Ilyumzhinov in November 1995.

    That Ilyumzhinov was a lunatic and an autocrat who could do untold damage to the game was clear from the beginning. Recall his initial awarding of the Karpov-Kamsky match to Baghdad. In the spring of 1996, representatives of a number of western federations gathered in Utrecht to consider the possibility of breaking away FIDE and forming an alternative organization. Committees were formed to investigate the options and the whole idea (which I still thought premature) faded.

    Ten years have passed and I see little alternative. Bessel Kok’s campaign was probably the last hope of reforming FIDE from within. Four more years of Ilyumzhinov and the situation may be past all hope of repair. A structure needs to be created such that commercial sponsors are convinced that they are supporting an ancient and noble challenge and expression of the human spirit and not a mad dictator who talks to aliens and whose aides murder journalists. I know FIDE’s motto “We are one family” (gens una sumus) but some families are so dysfunctional that the only healthy thing to do is move out.

    I know that, if undertaken, it will be a long and difficult task with uncertain prospects. And I have no real concrete proposals. But there are those with far better connections, knowledge of the details, and organizational skills than I. Let’s hope that they step forward now.

  • Le 8 juin 2006 à 23:09, par Lucas Muratet En réponse à : Re : http://www.allthingshuman.com

    DRA

    “If this election were based on logic and reason, Kirsan would not receive a single vote,” Yasser Seirawan told me the other day. He was quite right but the election was not based on logic and reason (they never are). Nor was it based simply on ignorance and greed (they rarely are). It was based rather, like all politics, on perceived interests and how well the game is played. We live in an age of mass media, i.e., wholesale, politics. What happened yesterday, however, was a perfect example of the old-fashioned, retail politics, the kind that has changed little since the days of Pericles.

    Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Tip O’Neill was fond of the aphorism, “All politics is local.” By this he meant simply that people respond more to the small local issues that directly affect their life than to issues of high national or international policy. If you want to make a difference on the grand scale, you have to play the local game. “Think globally, act locally” is the contemporary cliché.

    The Vietnam War has given President Lyndon Johnson a bad name but he was one of the great masters of using local, retail politics to achieve national goals. The great civil rights and social legislation of the 1960s was his achievement and would have marked Johnson as one of the greatest of U.S. Presidents, if Vietnam had not destroyed his reputation. Kennedy had wanted to pass much of this legislation but could not because of the opposition of conservatives.

    Johnson, a product of Texas politics, among the nastiest of all, knew how to play the game. When he was Majority Leader in the Senate, he had studied every senator and knew them intimately, where they came from, their strengths and weaknesses, what made them tick, and, above all, which buttons to push to get a positive response. As President, he did the same with key members of the House. When he needed someone’s vote on legislation, he would call them and charm them. He knew exactly what they needed in order to support his legislation and he had no scruples about providing it.

    What happened yesterday was that Kirsan’s people completely outplayed Bessel’s people at the nasty game of politics and that trumped logic, reason, even the viability of the game of chess. A member of the American delegation compared Georgios Makropoulos to a Chicago ward boss and he was right. Makropoulos, he said, knows every federation intimately. He knows who’s really in power, what the local issues are, what the local federation needs, and he has no scruples abut providing it. Nigel Short’s clumsy African tour illustrated the gap between the two camps in political savvy. I always had the impression that there was a limit to how low Bessel Kok would stoop and that limit wasn’t low enough to give him any real chance of success.

    Still, wandering among the delegates during the interminable delay in the Congress, I couldn’t help hoping. I kept thinking of two old political saws. The first is the definition of an honest politician as one who, once bought, stays bought. Against this, I recalled the advice that Sam Rayburn, another product of Texas politics, reportedly used to give to newly elected members of Congress concerning lobbyists and graft, “If you can’t take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and still vote against them, then you don’t belong here.” In the end, the FIDE delegates were honest, at least as concerns their parochial interests, and no, they probably didn’t belong there.

    At the end of the day, everything the Right Move Campaign said about the irreparable damage that Ilyumzhinov has done and continues to do to chess remains true. I got little real work done yesterday because I was emailing back and forth with several U.S. news organizations, trying to sell the story of the U.S. team upsetting the Russians. There was a time when this would have been a no-brainer ; of course, they want it. Well, it’s a no-brainer today ; who the hell cares ? But what are those who care about chess as a viable enterprise that supports its best players (and a few scribblers of the fourth estate) to do ?

    Way back in 1993, I was unhappy as Kasparov’s decision to split from FIDE. Yes, things were bad under Campomanes but the risk to the game was too great. It made chess seem too much like boxing. Boxing doesn’t need a good reputation because people will always pay to witness physical violence. Chess, whose reputation has sunk well below boxing, and justly so, requires a pristine reputation to attract sponsors. As I expressed it at the time, people who don’t understand how a knight moves can understand petty politics. If Kasparov and the PCA had succeeded, we would doubtless be better off today. But he failed when FIDE, desperate for resources to fend off the PCA’s challenge and heedless of where it came from, brought in Ilyumzhinov in November 1995.

    That Ilyumzhinov was a lunatic and an autocrat who could do untold damage to the game was clear from the beginning. Recall his initial awarding of the Karpov-Kamsky match to Baghdad. In the spring of 1996, representatives of a number of western federations gathered in Utrecht to consider the possibility of breaking away FIDE and forming an alternative organization. Committees were formed to investigate the options and the whole idea (which I still thought premature) faded.

    Ten years have passed and I see little alternative. Bessel Kok’s campaign was probably the last hope of reforming FIDE from within. Four more years of Ilyumzhinov and the situation may be past all hope of repair. A structure needs to be created such that commercial sponsors are convinced that they are supporting an ancient and noble challenge and expression of the human spirit and not a mad dictator who talks to aliens and whose aides murder journalists. I know FIDE’s motto “We are one family” (gens una sumus) but some families are so dysfunctional that the only healthy thing to do is move out.

    I know that, if undertaken, it will be a long and difficult task with uncertain prospects. And I have no real concrete proposals. But there are those with far better connections, knowledge of the details, and organizational skills than I. Let’s hope that they step forward now.

    Entièrement d’accord !

  • Le 8 juin 2006 à 23:15, par DDTM DDTM En réponse à : Re : http://www.allthingshuman.com

    lucas muratet
    DRA

    “If this election were based on logic and reason, Kirsan would not receive a single vote,” Yasser Seirawan told me the other day. He was quite right but the election was not based on logic and reason (they never are). Nor was it based simply on ignorance and greed (they rarely are). It was based rather, like all politics, on perceived interests and how well the game is played. We live in an age of mass media, i.e., wholesale, politics. What happened yesterday, however, was a perfect example of the old-fashioned, retail politics, the kind that has changed little since the days of Pericles.

    Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Tip O’Neill was fond of the aphorism, “All politics is local.” By this he meant simply that people respond more to the small local issues that directly affect their life than to issues of high national or international policy. If you want to make a difference on the grand scale, you have to play the local game. “Think globally, act locally” is the contemporary cliché.

    The Vietnam War has given President Lyndon Johnson a bad name but he was one of the great masters of using local, retail politics to achieve national goals. The great civil rights and social legislation of the 1960s was his achievement and would have marked Johnson as one of the greatest of U.S. Presidents, if Vietnam had not destroyed his reputation. Kennedy had wanted to pass much of this legislation but could not because of the opposition of conservatives.

    Johnson, a product of Texas politics, among the nastiest of all, knew how to play the game. When he was Majority Leader in the Senate, he had studied every senator and knew them intimately, where they came from, their strengths and weaknesses, what made them tick, and, above all, which buttons to push to get a positive response. As President, he did the same with key members of the House. When he needed someone’s vote on legislation, he would call them and charm them. He knew exactly what they needed in order to support his legislation and he had no scruples about providing it.

    What happened yesterday was that Kirsan’s people completely outplayed Bessel’s people at the nasty game of politics and that trumped logic, reason, even the viability of the game of chess. A member of the American delegation compared Georgios Makropoulos to a Chicago ward boss and he was right. Makropoulos, he said, knows every federation intimately. He knows who’s really in power, what the local issues are, what the local federation needs, and he has no scruples abut providing it. Nigel Short’s clumsy African tour illustrated the gap between the two camps in political savvy. I always had the impression that there was a limit to how low Bessel Kok would stoop and that limit wasn’t low enough to give him any real chance of success.

    Still, wandering among the delegates during the interminable delay in the Congress, I couldn’t help hoping. I kept thinking of two old political saws. The first is the definition of an honest politician as one who, once bought, stays bought. Against this, I recalled the advice that Sam Rayburn, another product of Texas politics, reportedly used to give to newly elected members of Congress concerning lobbyists and graft, “If you can’t take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and still vote against them, then you don’t belong here.” In the end, the FIDE delegates were honest, at least as concerns their parochial interests, and no, they probably didn’t belong there.

    At the end of the day, everything the Right Move Campaign said about the irreparable damage that Ilyumzhinov has done and continues to do to chess remains true. I got little real work done yesterday because I was emailing back and forth with several U.S. news organizations, trying to sell the story of the U.S. team upsetting the Russians. There was a time when this would have been a no-brainer ; of course, they want it. Well, it’s a no-brainer today ; who the hell cares ? But what are those who care about chess as a viable enterprise that supports its best players (and a few scribblers of the fourth estate) to do ?

    Way back in 1993, I was unhappy as Kasparov’s decision to split from FIDE. Yes, things were bad under Campomanes but the risk to the game was too great. It made chess seem too much like boxing. Boxing doesn’t need a good reputation because people will always pay to witness physical violence. Chess, whose reputation has sunk well below boxing, and justly so, requires a pristine reputation to attract sponsors. As I expressed it at the time, people who don’t understand how a knight moves can understand petty politics. If Kasparov and the PCA had succeeded, we would doubtless be better off today. But he failed when FIDE, desperate for resources to fend off the PCA’s challenge and heedless of where it came from, brought in Ilyumzhinov in November 1995.

    That Ilyumzhinov was a lunatic and an autocrat who could do untold damage to the game was clear from the beginning. Recall his initial awarding of the Karpov-Kamsky match to Baghdad. In the spring of 1996, representatives of a number of western federations gathered in Utrecht to consider the possibility of breaking away FIDE and forming an alternative organization. Committees were formed to investigate the options and the whole idea (which I still thought premature) faded.

    Ten years have passed and I see little alternative. Bessel Kok’s campaign was probably the last hope of reforming FIDE from within. Four more years of Ilyumzhinov and the situation may be past all hope of repair. A structure needs to be created such that commercial sponsors are convinced that they are supporting an ancient and noble challenge and expression of the human spirit and not a mad dictator who talks to aliens and whose aides murder journalists. I know FIDE’s motto “We are one family” (gens una sumus) but some families are so dysfunctional that the only healthy thing to do is move out.

    I know that, if undertaken, it will be a long and difficult task with uncertain prospects. And I have no real concrete proposals. But there are those with far better connections, knowledge of the details, and organizational skills than I. Let’s hope that they step forward now.

    Entièrement d’accord !

    It’s all right  😉  😄

  • Le 8 juin 2006 à 23:16, par Axel Prieur

    😄 :-D
    Alors il lit pas les bouquins d’échecs parce que c’est écrit en anglais et qu’il comprend rien, et il se permet d’émettre un avis...

    Ah la la ces jeunes....

  • Le 8 juin 2006 à 23:19, par DDTM DDTM

    axel prieur

     :-D :-D
    Alors il lit pas les bouquins d’échecs parce que c’est écrit en anglais et qu’il comprend rien, et il se permet d’émettre un avis...

    Ah la la ces jeunes....

    Pourquoi tu parles de toi à la 3ème personne  😉  😄  😄  😄  😄  😄  😄

  • Le 9 juin 2006 à 20:00, par Jacques Bouthier

    Bon, je ne sais pas d’où est pris la longue citation un peu plus haut.

    Je crois qu’il est mieux pour un forum de donner les liens, pour que les gens puissent accéder à l’information... s’ils le souhaitent.
    Ensuite bien souvent la mise en forme de l’article se perd avec le copier-coller.

    Donc ci-dessous un lien pour accéder à une lettre de remerciements de Bessel Kok à tous ceux qui l’ont soutenu dans sa campagne.

    Un point final chaleureux à cette campagne dynamique et novatrice :

    [url=http://www.rightmove06.org/index.php?set_language=en&cccpage=articleview&set_z_articles=173]"(...)Le monde des Echecs s’est rassemblé à Turin pour prendre une décision importante pour le futur des Echecs. Il est clair que rien ne pourra plus être pareil à la suite de la campagne électorale menée par The Right Move ces sept derniers mois.(...)"[/url]

  • Le 12 juin 2006 à 10:10, par DDTM DDTM

    jack

    Bon, je ne sais pas d’où est pris la longue citation un peu plus haut.

    Je crois qu’il est mieux pour un forum de donner les liens, pour que les gens puissent accéder à l’information... s’ils le souhaitent.
    Ensuite bien souvent la mise en forme de l’article se perd avec le copier-coller.

    Le lien est dans le titre de mon message, je ne peux pas prévoir la cécité de certains  😎

  • Le 12 juin 2006 à 10:28, par José Piat

    jack

    [url=http://www.rightmove06.org/index.php?set_language=en&cccpage=articleview&set_z_articles=173]"(...)Le monde des Echecs s’est rassemblé à Turin pour prendre une décision importante pour le futur des Echecs. Il est clair que rien ne pourra plus être pareil à la suite de la campagne électorale menée par The Right Move ces sept derniers mois.(...)"[/url]

    "For a bona FIDE"  😄

    Plein d’humour grinçant, ce Kok.

    http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=8725&dict=CALD

    Mazetão, multilingue averti.